Are you using an agent orchestrator to write code?

No, I don't even use agents to generate code most of the time. I mainly use the inline assistant to modify or fill out blocks of code, and agents sometimes for refactors, asking questions, search, debugging, generating documentation etc.

I feel bad for Yegge.

> Steve Yegge said he feels "sorry for people" who merely "use Cursor, ask it questions sometimes, review its code really carefully, and then check it in."

Steve Yegge is building a multi-agent orchestration system. This is him trying to FOMO listeners into using his project.

From what I've observed, the people trying to use herds of agents to work on different things at the same time are just using tokens as fast as possible because they think more tokens means more progress. As you scale up the sub-agents you spend so much time managing the herd and trying to backtrack when things go wrong that you would have been better off handling it serially with yourself in the loop.

If you don't have someone else paying the bill for unlimited token usage it's going to be a very expensive experiment.

i tried but it didn't worked for me. Now i use agents as editors for fully formed solution so slightly better editor than typing.

Not the best way to do it, but I use xfce, multiple workspaces, each with there own version of AWS Kiro, and each kiro has its own project I am working on. This allows me to "switch context" easier between each project to check how the agents are getting on. Kiro also notifies me when an agent wants somthing. Usually I keep it to about 4 projects at a time, just to keep the context switching down.

I did when just starting on a new project, it was working well when I had many new components to implement. But as the project matured and stabilized every new feature is cross-cutting and it's impossible to parallelize the work without running into conflicts (design conflicts, where two agents would add similar overlapping mechanisms, and also the usual code conflicts, touching the same files). Also, with project maturity I'm much more concerned about keeping it stable and correct, which is hard to do with parallel agents running amok.

I don't know what kind of work he's doing that doesn't require actually reading the code to ensure it's appropriately maintainable, but more power to him. I actually like knowing what the hell my code is doing and that it conforms to my standards before committing it. I'll accept his condolences.

No point. Claude Code with skills and subagents is plenty. If they would stop breaking it constantly it would be fine.

The bottleneck has not been how quickly you can generate reasonable code for a good while now. It’s how quickly you can integrate and deploy it and how much operational toil it causes. On any team > 1, that’s going to rely on getting a lot of people to work together effectively too, and it turns out that’s a completely different problem with different solutions.

I think Yegge needs to keep up with the tech a bit more. Cursor has gotten quite powerful - it's plan mode now seems about on par with Claude Code, producing Mermaid charts and detailed multi-phase plans that pretty much just work. I also noticed their debug mode will now come up with several thesises (thesi?), create some sort of debugging harness and logging system, test each thesis, tear down the debugging logic and present a solution. I have no idea when that happened, but it helped solve a tricky frontend race condition for me a day or two ago.

I still like Claude, but man does it suck down tokens.

Sometimes I tell the AI to change something, sometimes I just do it myself. Sometimes I start to do it and then the magic tab-complete guesses well enough that I can just tab through the rest of it.

Sometimes the magic tab-complete insists on something silly and repeatedly gets in the way.

Sometimes I tell the AI to do something, and then have to back out the whole thing and do it right myself. Sometimes it's only a little wrong, and I can accept the result and then tweak it a bit. Sometimes it's a little wrong in a way that's easy to tell it to fix.

Having gone through his interview just now, his advice and experience seems centered around Vibe coding new applications and not really reflective of the reality of the industry.

> But I feel sorry for people who are good engineers – or who used to be – and they use Cursor, ask it questions sometimes, review its code really carefully, and then check it in. And I’m like: ‘dude, you’re going to get fired [because you are not keeping up with modern tools] and you’re one of the best engineers I know!’”

I would certainly take a careful person over the likes of yegge who seems to be neither pragmatic, nor an engineer.

I think people should figure out what works for them rather than letting people on the internet gate-keep what is good. Everything is about personal choices and refining your own taste. I would not be happy being unable to understand everything deeply so having a million agents all doing stuff would just cause me a load of stress even if I could churn stuff out more quickly.

The stumbling block we have is spinning up separate environments for every agent so they have isolation for their branches. I think this is solveable, but we aren't trying to solve it ourselves. In practice it means we aren't doing a lot of agent supervision.

People lie. Let's see a video of them doing this, or logs of the sessions, and the generated code, so we can judge for ourselves.

"Claude writes, Codex reviews" has shown huge promise as a pattern for me, so I wrote a Dockerfile and some instructions on how to make that happen for agents, and ended up with https://github.com/pjlsergeant/moarcode

I am spending most of my day in this harness. It has rough edges for sure, but it means I trust the code coming out much more than I did just Claude.

Vscode agent mode is pretty slick

We're not there yet, but it's going to happen. Given the nature of the application I'm working on, I wouldn't be surprised if the entire headcount of the engineering department were reduced to around five or so in a year or two.